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Jason Wood

Watch out everyone, I finally have my partner and buddy Monty posting on the blog!

Monty, agreed 100%. Today's price action broadly (and the GE stock price movement post secondary) I think speaks to how none of us can look at Buffett's dealings and take them as any indication of what we should be doing.

Talk to you tomorrow; can we somehow get the SEC to suspend trading on Fridays? I used to like Fridays. :)

Monty

Jason - I agree with your analysis from Buffett's perspective and in terms of the broader market for the most part. A 10% guaranteed return (assuming GE continues to be credit worthy) and getting a call essentially for free, what's not to like? If GE for some reason isn't money good, we all have problems.

It is challenging to view Buffett's investment as a means of being bullish on the broader market. That is not to say the market won't rally from just that this investment is not a reason.

I look at this from a return on capital versus cost of capital perspective. How does GE earn an acceptable rate of return on 10% debt plus warrants, which brings its pre-tax cost of capital to the mid-teens level? According to ValueLine, GE's return on capital has ranged from 6.4% to 7.4% from 2002-2007. (admittedly, this is simplistic analysis, and there are many variables to examine in order to measure the true cost of capital on a fully taxed basis).

Thus, it is difficult to view the transaction with an optimistic view from the GE shareholder perspective since it is likely that GE will not earn an adequate return. More likely as you noted, GE will call-in the pfd in a few years, which makes this an expensive bridge.

If GE has to resort to an exorbitant cost of capital for essentially a medium term loan, what is (or isn't) the implication for the 99% of the S&P 1500 companies that aren't AAA rated?

Monty

Jason - I agree with your analysis from Buffett's perspective and in terms of the broader market for the most part. A 10% guaranteed return (assuming GE continues to be credit worthy) and getting a call essentially for free, what's not to like? If GE for some reason isn't money good, we all have problems.

It is challenging to view Buffett's investment as a means of being bullish on the broader market. That is not to say the market won't rally from just that this investment is not a reason.

I look at this from a return on capital versus cost of capital perspective. How does GE earn an acceptable rate of return on 10% debt plus warrants, which brings its pre-tax cost of capital to the mid-teens level? According to ValueLine, GE's return on capital has ranged from 6.4% to 7.4% from 2002-2007. (admittedly, this is simplistic analysis, and there are many variables to examine in order to measure the true cost of capital on a fully taxed basis).

Thus, it is difficult to view the transaction with an optimistic view from the GE shareholder perspective since it is likely that GE will not earn an adequate. More likely as you noted, GE will call-in the pfd in a few years, which makes this an expensive bridge.

If GE has to resort to an exorbitant cost of capital for essentially a medium term loan, what is (or isn't) the implication for the 99% of the S&P 1500 companies that aren't AAA rated?

Jason Wood

Jeff...I think the actions are more symbolically bullish than tangibly so. GE is getting optionality but at a price no AAA-rated company should ever have to pay. This was a smart move for Buffett no matter what [as long as GE doesn't go under], and I think it will be seen as a smart move by GE if they call in the preferred in a few years b/c the system is back on normal footing. But too early for me to view it as a bullish signal for public equity investors.

Andrew Abraham

We have been discussing on our forum Buffetts purchase of Goldman and now GE... I think he is following in the steps of Ben Graham...What am I missing... You have stated both cases... can you further elaborate for our community...

Jeff

Buffet's funding of GE is a great example of the disintermediation of the banking system. If the banking system can't figure out how to provide liquidity, a new source will be found for the strong borrowers (GE). I think we see more non-traditional capital providers, such as private equity, filling voids that banks used to fill. I enjoyed the post. It's a Bull Case for me.

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